charlie, is this unique only to hsbc, or is in the first domino to fall here? >> well, i mean, there may be other banks, but it follows a pattern that the justice department has used since arthur anderson following the enron scandal. they didn't want to put any more big companies out of business, so they go into these deferred prosecution agreements, today hit the bank with a big fine and then today kind of move on. what's kind of like -- what's not good about this is that if you think about it, shareholders are suffering when you had probably individual employees who committed possible crimes here. jenna: so you don't think this was a policy necessarily of the entire bank, more department-specific? >> well, there are people involved, right? i mean, i'm not saying the bank shouldn't have been dinged here, but if you think about it, the deferred prosecution agreement extends to the bank. we don't know who's involved in this. and i, as a business reporter who writes for shareholders, say i think this is kind of a bad thing. to defer the blame to all the sharehold